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Re: WW-II Canadian PoW Camps to be Historic Event
« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2012, 12:16:38 PM »
Any help to get this finalize would be appreciated.  The outstanding matters are:  Ministerial Public Announcement; Plaque location or locations; Plaque wording; and date/place of the plaque unveiling ceremony.

PoW - Paul Mengelberg of Longlac ON was one of the original supporters back in 2008 and continues to be supportive.  Like many of us, he is not impressed with the government continuing delays.  The other PoWs have just been sent the information.

Many additional people have written directly to Minister Peter Kent in support of the project.  Anyone wishing to read the minister's letter of approval, HSMBC minutes, and staff reports, I can email them a copy  (pfd).  I also have a copy of a letter that was sent to the PoWs introducing myself and giving a rather extensive overview of what has transpired todate.  I'm prepared to share any and all the information indicated. 

Anyone wishing to write to the Minister, I can provide the mailing address.

To obtain a copy of the pdf files, please send me an email (frankspence@eastlink.ca). 



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Re: WW-II Canadian PoW Camps to be Historic Event
« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2012, 09:59:29 PM »
For locations and such, are the issues holding the announcement back simply lack of knowledge on the subject or "red tape"?

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Re: WW-II Canadian PoW Camps to be Historic Event
« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2012, 07:52:46 AM »
RED TAPE !   

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Re: WW-II Canadian PoW Camps to be Historic Event
« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2012, 10:06:12 PM »
Good News:  Late this afternoon (4:43 pm to be exact) I received an email from the HSMBC in Ottawa that announced some good news.  Neys PoW Camp #100 will the honoured with a Canadian Historic plaque commemorating the event with the title The Detention of Second World War Parisoners of War and Enemy Aliens Sent to Canada from Great Britain.

Neys is one of the 26 PoW camps established across Canada during the war.

The next step in the process will be sorting out the plaque wording, and getting that approved.  After that a bronze plaque will be ordered and eventually a date for the unveiling ceremony will be sorted out.

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« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2012, 11:54:23 AM »
Excellent news, thanks for sharing!

Here's some more information on Neys for those that are interested,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neys_Provincial_Park#Neys_Camp_100

Seems like a good location since the site of the camp is already located in a park.

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« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2012, 12:14:22 PM »
... Seems like a good location since the site of the camp is already located in a park.

In area 1 of the campground for example, foundations of some of the buildings are visible, if you know where to look you can find a stone walkway built by the PoWs, plus the base of the water tower, river boats that are pulled up on the rock and other items of interest.  For those who like a beach, Prisoners Cover is great spot.  The visitor centre has a model of the camp on display plus various other items of interest.

Just a few bits of info to entice you to come for a visit.   8)

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« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2012, 10:07:49 AM »
Update:   In my continuing efforts to keep everyone informed of developments, the following has occurred:
 
I have good news and not so good news regarding the historic event plaque unveiling ceremony to be held at Neys Provincial Park, formerly WW-II PoW Camp 100:
 
The good news is that I’m told that Parks Canada and Historical Sites and Monuments Board staff are doing all they can to have everything ready for an unveiling ceremony at the earliest possible date. In addition, Parks Canada have offered to record a message from Paul Mengelberg on the “off chance” that he might not be able to attend the actual unveiling. Paul who is one of the original supporters of the nomination and regular speaker at the Neys Visitor Centre turned 96 on February 5th. Paul for many years has captivated audiences with his talks about what it was like to be PoW in Canada.
 
The not so good news is I have been unsuccessful in having the powers-to-be set a date for the unveiling. I would prefer an announced date far enough in advance to allow people to have adequate notice to make the necessary arrangements to be able to attend the unveiling. From what I have been advised, Parks Canada is likely to receive a relatively short notice confirming the date of the ceremony (e.g. a few weeks). (I’m guessing that the notice will come from either the HSMBC office or the Minister’s office) Once confirmed an announcement can be made.
 
From what I can gather, the two windows for the potential unveiling ceremony appear to be later part of August thro to mid September (Neys closes mid September) or delay the ceremony until 2013.
 
I have from Parks Canada an outline of the schedule that still needs to be done before the ceremony can be held, should anyone wish to have that information.
 
  From what I can gather, the government prefers not to set a date and work towards having everything in place before making any announcement.    I’m disappointed that the public notification of the ceremony appears to be limited to a few weeks notice making it difficult for some people to participate.
 
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« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2012, 09:55:20 AM »
Thanks for the update,

On the bright side at least 2012 will still be a possibility for the unveiling but I agree that announcing the date a few weeks before the event takes place won't do any favors for those wanting to be there in person be they traveling from within Canada or coming in from abroad.

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« Reply #23 on: February 14, 2012, 04:19:54 PM »
Feb 14, 2012:

I received a phone call this afternoon from Parks Canada - Thunder Bay office indicating that the draft plaque wording was ready for the consultative process in an effort to ensure that the wording is appropriate. Anyone wishing to read the text can email me and offer suggestions back to me for inclusion with my own comments. Parks Canada has selected a limited number of people to consult with but I can consult with any number of people provide that the comments come back to me and I file one document with them. I am asking for input back to me by February 21, 2012

It appears that every effort is being made toward having everything done so that the ceremony could be held this year. Lets hope so.

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« Reply #24 on: February 17, 2012, 09:14:42 AM »
Hi Frank,

If possible can you send the text my way?

So close yet so far away, lets hope they can meet the 2012 deadline!

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« Reply #25 on: February 21, 2012, 08:35:41 AM »
Thank you for all your good suggestions... much appreciated.

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« Reply #26 on: February 22, 2012, 08:39:13 AM »
In addition to others, two former POW have indicated support for the updated plaque wording that was sent to Parks Canada earlier today.    Anyone wishing to receive a copy of what was proposed please email me. 

Our proposal will be considered with other recommendations and eventually the Board will be asked to make the final decision. 

We are now one more step towards having the unveiling ceremony.

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« Reply #27 on: February 22, 2012, 09:44:49 PM »
In addition to others, two former POW have indicated support for the updated plaque wording that was sent to Parks Canada earlier today.    Anyone wishing to receive a copy of what was proposed please email me. 

Our proposal will be considered with other recommendations and eventually the Board will be asked to make the final decision. 

We are now one more step towards having the unveiling ceremony.

Excellent, the more support the better! It's very reassuring having the proposal go in under these circumstances, here's hoping it all works out.

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« Reply #28 on: March 09, 2012, 08:11:07 AM »
Former POW Paul Mengelberg (96) gave a presentation to the History students at Lakehead University recently.  In the audience were representatives of Parks Canada and Ontario Provincial Parks.   His hour long presentation was based around answering questions from the students as to what it was like being a German POW in Canada.  The presentation was recorded.  A video is being made incorporating his chat for presentation at the unveiling ceremony. 

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« Reply #29 on: March 27, 2012, 03:46:59 PM »
Announcement by the Minister of the Environment, the Honourable Peter Kent - March 27th, 2012. Minister Kent made a number of announcements regarding Military Historic matters including this one:


The Detention of Second World War Military Prisoners of War and of Enemy Aliens Sent to Canada from Great Britain
From 1940 to 1947, Canada was the wartime “home” for more than 38,000 prisoners of war and of “enemy aliens” sent from Great Britain. This detention constitutes an important element of Canada’s contribution to the Allied war effort and defence strategy, as camps located throughout the country were used to hold combatants from the German armed forces as well as merchant mariners and Great Britain’s enemy aliens far from the theatres of war. On the home front, the detention benefited Canadian society, notably through the establishment of work programs for the production of non-military goods essential to the domestic economy and the employment of members of the Veterans Guard of Canada as camp guards. Internationally, Canada’s fair treatment of military prisoners was noted, and it influenced the permanent post-war settlement of former detainees in Canada.
In the first years of conflict, the British government had amassed a significant military prisoner and civilian internee population, and, until 1940, they were safely detained in Great Britain. As the threat of German invasion loomed, however, this population posed a security threat and a resource drain. Consequently, the British government requested the transfer of its enemy aliens and prisoners of war. With its vast open spaces and available resources for such an operation, Canada was an ideal location for housing some of these men.
The effort involved an intricate network of 26 permanent and dozens of temporary internment camps in remote areas throughout Canada. While the bulk of the population that was detained at the request of the British government was made up of combatants from the battlefields, waters, and airspace of Europe and Africa, it also included German and Italian merchant mariners, seized from ships in the Atlantic or Canadian ports. As well, some 4,000 “enemy aliens” who had been arrested in Great Britain due to fears of pro-Nazi action were sent by the British and then interned in these camps. Most of these enemy aliens were returned to England or released in Canada by November 1943. By 1948 all prisoners of war had been repatriated, with the exception of a handful of escapees and those who had died here.
Despite the unpopularity of German prisoners of war within Canada, they were relatively well treated. Indeed, their detention in Canada was seen as a model of compliance with the 1929 Geneva Convention. Often, the experience of prisoners of war in Canadian camps created a fondness for Canada, with hundreds of them eventually immigrating here after the war. As well, the camps directly affected the country’s war-time economy, as many detainees provided labour in agriculture, forestry, lumbering, construction, and in other non-military work projects. Furthermore, the need for camp security led to the employment of members of the Veterans Guard of Canada, composed primarily of First World War veterans who were keen to participate in the war effort.

Next steps are the plaque wording and approval, unveiling ceremony date, and the actual unveiling ceremony.